Solar cooker

[churro]

Almost everyone of my age bracket says, "E.T. phone home." When they first see this thing. You might get the same with your modified umbrella, Zelph.

Soon you'll have all your neighbors and friends coming over to see how you are cooking with solar

I have already noticed cars slowing as they go by to stare at my contraption.

[zelph]

I have an Internationl Harvester M tractor in my yard that attracts attention from passing farmers

[zelph]

I thought "no way" make ice with solar cooker Now I've seen everything

Hey....this is interesting stuff. Came across this on a survival forum today:


MAKING ICE IN THE SOLAR COOKER

March 5th, 2007, 10:25 AM




MAKING ICE IN A SOLAR COOKER:

How to Use the Solar Funnel as a Refrigerator/Cooler

http://solarcooking.org/plans/funnel.htm

A university student (Jamie Winterton) and I were the first to demonstrate that the BYU Solar Funnel Cooker can be used - at night - as a refrigerator. Here is how this is done.

The Solar Funnel Cooker is set-up just as you would during sun-light hours, with two exceptions:

1. The funnel is directed at the dark night sky. It should not "see" any buildings or even trees. (The thermal radiation from walls, trees, or even clouds will diminish the cooling effect.).

2. It helps to place 2 (two) bags around the jar instead of just one, with air spaces between the bags and between the inner bag and the jar. HDPE and ordinary polyethylene bags work well, since polyethylene is nearly transparent to infrared radiation, allowing it to escape into the "heat sink" of the dark sky.

During the day, the sun's rays are reflected onto the cooking vessel which becomes hot quickly. At night, heat from the vessel is radiated outward, towards empty space, which is very cold indeed (a "heat sink").

As a result, the cooking vessel now becomes a small refrigerator. We routinely achieve cooling of about 20º F (10º C) below ambient air temperature using this remarkably simple scheme.

In September 1999, we placed two funnels out in the evening, with double-bagged jars inside. One jar was on a block of wood and the other was suspended in the funnel using fishing line. The temperature that evening (in Provo, Utah) was 78º F. Using a Radio Shack indoor/outdoor thermometer, a BYU student (Colter Paulson) measured the temperature inside the funnel and outside in the open air. He found that the temperature of the air inside the funnel dropped quickly by about 15 degrees, as its heat was radiated upwards in the clear sky. That night, the minimum outdoor air temperature measured was 47.5 degrees - but the water in both jars had ICE. I invite others to try this, and please let me know if you get ice at 55 or even 60 degrees outside air temperature (minimum at night). A black PVC container may work even better than a black-painted jar, since PVC is a good infrared radiator - these matters are still being studied.

I would like to see the "Funnel Refrigerator" tried in desert climates, especially where freezing temperatures are rarely reached. It should be possible in this way to cheaply make ice for Hutus in Rwanda and for aborigines in Australia, without using any electricity or other modern "tricks." We are in effect bringing some of the cold of space to a little corner on earth. Please let me know how this works for you.
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Looks interesting. I think I'll try it once summer arrives.
Now, all I have to do is set water outside in ice cube trays to make ice.
Another thought. Just how many dozen solar cookers would one need to make enough ice to fill 6 big coolers or an old fashioned ice box?

This info might be of help to those who must refrigerate medications.

[churro]

Thanks! I had run across mention of this, but never any real data. I might have to try this before it gets too cold to bother.

[zelph]

Yes, hope you can try it.....sounds very scientific. I like dual purpose solar stoves

[Pnw.hiker]

Yes, hope you can try it.....sounds very scientific. I like dual purpose solar stoves

They've been doing this for centuries in India to make ice, according to an old professor I know. Heat moves by convection, conduction and radiation. If you insulate the water from convection and conduction, and direct radiation out into space, you can get 10 or 20 degrees below ambient. You need very still air though, and clear skys.

[zelph]

Yes, hope you can try it.....sounds very scientific. I like dual purpose solar stoves

They've been doing this for centuries in India to make ice, according to an old professor I know. Heat moves by convection, conduction and radiation. If you insulate the water from convection and conduction, and direct radiation out into space, you can get 10 or 20 degrees below ambient. You need very still air though, and clear skys.

This was the first time I've ever heard of making ice this way.

Cold weather tips say cover your windows to prevent heat loss to clear winter night skies.

I had a winter hammock set-up in my glass covered greenhouse to do winter hang experiments. It's no wonder it was so cold when the skies were clear. The moon lit skies made it easy to see in the greenhouse but little did I realize that every time I had a pee break I lost body heat to the max.

[zelph]

In September 1999, we placed two funnels out in the evening, with double-bagged jars inside. One jar was on a block of wood and the other was suspended in the funnel using fishing line. The temperature that evening (in Provo, Utah) was 78º F. Using a Radio Shack indoor/outdoor thermometer, a BYU student (Colter Paulson) measured the temperature inside the funnel and outside in the open air. He found that the temperature of the air inside the funnel dropped quickly by about 15 degrees, as its heat was radiated upwards in the clear sky. That night, the minimum outdoor air temperature measured was 47.5 degrees - but the water in both jars had ICE. I invite others to try this, and please let me know if you get ice at 55 or even 60 degrees outside air temperature (minimum at night). A black PVC container may work even better than a black-painted jar, since PVC is a good infrared radiator - these matters are still being studied.

I would like to see the "Funnel Refrigerator" tried in desert climates, especially where freezing temperatures are rarely reached. It should be possible in this way to cheaply make ice for Hutus in Rwanda and for aborigines in Australia, without using any electricity or other modern "tricks." We are in effect bringing some of the cold of space to a little corner on earth. Please let me know how this works for you.

I have not tried this yet but September temperatures will be upon us soon

So.......this is just a heads up/reminder of this project to see if Ice can be created with the above method.