SuperCat Afterburner

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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by zelph » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:33 pm

Blue52 wrote:I like your analogy. Here's another way of looking at it . "Time to boil" fuel required to accelerate from 65mph to 140mph. stomping on the gas peddle to go faster requires more fuel. 35ml with simmer ring off rolling boil 3:10 vs 20ml 5:35. 75%more fuel 76% faster boil time , not spinning my wheels ;) I'm getting back almost what I put in for a faster boil time.

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You are accomplishing your desires of speed. That's good. rolling boil 3:10 is speed for sure. I have not come across that in my trials. You are the first to come up with times like that. Afterburner is an appropriate name :D
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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by Blue52 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:54 pm

Maybe you haven't tried it my way . The burner is simple. Do you want the specs?

Here's the video of the test. This is with the 45ml with two cups water boil test. At the time I didn't work out the thresh hold for fuel boil time and EBT. I know now 35 ml gets me to a boil with out excessive EBT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkLKfaJtOE4

You have been following my progression Its in reverse fast vs slow still based on efficiency boil times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXfS1HFrnc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAuT4thd ... re=related

You need to watch entire length at least to boil time to get the numbers.

A reliable compromise between the two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HfMrNwr ... re=related

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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by zelph » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:29 pm

No, I have not tried it your way. I've always been interested in the least amount of fuel to b carried for the max amount of meals.
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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by Blue52 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:56 pm

I here you on that. Like I said I'm working in revers:)I have a mini hyper cat. No ports below.
mini hyper cat  imusa grease pot 4cup boil test
mini hyper cat imusa grease pot 4cup boil test
2 cup water boil test
15ml 4:35 no boil end water temp 170 F
20ml 6:00 boil 6:20 ebt
20ml 6:05 boil 6:25 ebt
25ml 6:00 boil 6:50 ebt

The only way I see to make it boil water quicker than 6min. is to make burner fuel capacity to hold 25ml instead of the 45ml max capacity. Making it shorter to get fuel up to temperature faster. This could back fire, get it to hot to quick spinning wheels on the short burner fuel burns up to quick with out benefit.

I have also done three test 4 cups of water
45ml 12:00 boil 14:45 ebt
40ml 11:45 to boil 13:25 ebt,
35ml no boil end water temp 195 F
Going right now to do another 40ml test!

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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by zelph » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:06 pm

Increase pot support height, might get it faster.
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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by Blue52 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:12 pm

zelph wrote:Increase pot support height, might get it faster.
That aluminum liquefies fast if it come into contact with flame. Not sure how far up I can go on this burner before that happens.

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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by Blue52 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:46 pm

I did another 40ml 4 cup boil test with mini hyper cat did it in 11:05 ebt 11:15.
I'm going to run 6 more test of the mini hyper cat 40ml 4 cup water test .

Interestingly enough I tested the tall hypercrat double burner with out simmer ring to find its thresh hold for boil and ebt same 4 cup water test
35ml 6:45 no boil end water temp 190 F.
45ml 7:15boil 7:45 ebt
50ml 630 boil 7:50 ebt
50ml 6:10boil 7:05 ebt
need to run more tests to get at the mean.... This is 4 cups of water not 2.

On both hypercat double burners the simmer ring gives you the option to boil fast or slow for one or two people. Kills four birds with one stone. Slow one person 2 cups , sl2 4 cups , fast one person 2cups , fst2 4cups.

Only problem now neither burner likes to be super heated like in a cone stove or in afterbuner nor placing wind screen to close. They simply burn up there fuel prematurely...

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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by Blue52 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:39 pm

Old simmer ring test on AfterBurner 35ml fuel or one tiny measuring cup full past the 30ml mark. Early morning daylight. 2ups simmer up to a boil in 9:30 end burn time 10min.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLdOdbYWHz4

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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by zelph » Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:12 pm

It works. Now it's time to get more matches. :)

Is this the method that you'll use now?
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Re: SuperCat Afterburner

Post by Blue52 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:09 pm

I'd go with that on that particular stove to simmer. I know its not 15ml simmering for 10 min. But using same amount of fuel I can simmer 10min or boil in 5min 2 cups of water with that design. 30ml gets me a for sure boil every time regardless the condition.

I also have other ideas to explore. Where ever hyper cat leads me.

Here's 3min boil times 2cups of water 35ml of fuel . Using the hyper cat double burner. I have the simmer test as well will post later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJbxwc0Ky8A

From this I have explored the manipulation of air fuel and water;) In a larger all in one design using the same principal as hyper cat double burner. I call one Apollo and the other Sunflower both are made from one soup can each. Stmbled across the design try to come up with a easier windscreen idea.

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